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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 8:39 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

If the topic sounds ridiculous, that's because it is. Yet, this is my current life.

I'll give my story... keep in mind that all the details are not yet known as I'm only 4 days past D-Day.

Some quick background. We have been married almost 8 years. We have 3 kids, though only one is mine. The other 2 were from prior monogamous relationships. Our oldest 2 daughters are 15 and 12. My son is 6. We each own our business. Mine is an insurance agency and hers is a boutique fitness facility. Think CrossFit, but not. She also has a full-time career aside from the gym. The gym was a hobby that became an opportunity. It was a passion of hers to run a gym and the previous owners wanted to sell it. We bought it 3/16/2020. Within the week, we were shut down from COVID. Enter the beginning of the major stresses over the past year. I won't get into all those details.

My wife makes friends easily. And she made friends with a married couple from the gym. This was made easier because the husband was a pain management doctor and my wife suffers from some body pains due to her fitness lifestyle. She helped him and his wife become fit. He helped her with her pain.

Due to both of their busy lifestyles, he started performing chiro adjustments on her at his house. No big deal. He's a doctor and his wife is home and we're all friends. I was actually introduced to them through my wife, wrote their insurance policies, and started seeing him for my own pain management.

She started spending more and more time over there with them, however. Going over for movie nights that would last several hours, going running with him, smashing fruit in the desert with her, etc. And I started to get this odd feeling. But I couldn't say something because what was I going to say? I didn't feel comfortable with her having a new friend to hang out with who was married? And they were usually, if not always together... as far as I knew. Had I broached any kind of concern, it would have been met with anger.

Anyway, the past several months, even when she was with me she was on her phone. I know she has two demanding jobs and conducts business via phone, but she just always seemed more connected to other people. I started to have more and more doubts and thought there was something going on. So I started snooping. One night, last Sunday night to be exact, while my son was brushing his teeth and my wife was in the bath, I logged onto her computer and pulled up her facebook chats. I started reading the messages to this guy and realized that my fears were right. She was having an affair with this married man. I was furious, of course, and confronted her right away while she was in the bath. I walked in and told her that I can see everything she talks about on her computer. She asked why I was going on her computer in the first place and I told her it didn't matter because I was right. She actually agreed and dropped the privacy thing. And then proceeded to tell me that she has been lonely and that she got tired of trying to tell me and he was there for her and it developed from a friendship into love. She's now in love with him. I do all the early "no-no's" and tell her that she needs to cut off communication with them immediately and that I am going to tell his wife. That's when I found out that his wife, while she is unaware of the current sexual relationship, is complicit in this. They want my wife to join their family as a sister wife. She notices how much happier her husband has been since meeting and falling in love with my wife and actually greenlighted his courtship.

At this point, I am floored. The fact that this is real life is just bizarre and the fact that my very intelligent, strong, independent wife is considering this lifestyle is just nuts to me. She has a built-in best friend with the new lover. And I have the day-to-day baggage of a family and I've not been there for her (in her eyes) for a long time. She doesn't know what to do. So I back off for a day. Sunday night ends with me laying in the same bed but sleeping none. I don't go to work on Monday.

Monday she's off to work but I can't function. I'm a wreck. I forget what I did all day. It's a daze. But Monday night I know I wanted to talk and she wasn't ready. We shared some tears as I told her I loved her and that I wanted us to move forward. I didn't know, and still don't, if I could forgive her, but I wanted to try. I love her too much to just give up. I tell her all this. We take a break and watch some TV. An episode of The Office. In the final 2 minutes of the episode, this whore Cathy talks about trying to seduce married Jim while they're away at work, and I can't help but comment. She gets mad, storms off, and sleeps on the couch.

Tuesday, I go to work, but I can't stay there. I'm talking to people and doing research and I just want to talk to my wife. I come to realize that my demands for immediate NC are perhaps premature and unrealistic. I'm asking her to give up a best friend and someone she loves when she doesn't know what she wants yet. So I make a list of boundaries I think I can live with and I text her that I've done so and want to have a non-antagonistic talk about a few things. She agrees. So after the kids are put to bed, I explain that I am not going to demand she flip that switch yet but I lay out my boundaries, being careful to note that they are suggestions, and that she is free to agree, disagree, or submit some of her own:

1) I will not be watching the kids to facilitate your time with them.

2) Complete honesty, even if it hurts. If I ask if you were with him today, you tell me.

3) I want you to stop sleeping with him and only choose me. But if you can't stay out of his bed, you need to use protection. And the same with me if you choose to sleep with me.

4) Do not detract time from our relationship to pursue that one.

5) We need to start seeing a counselor, at least to begin to understand each other and see where things can go. If we can reconcile, we can pursue that. If we can't, we can pursue divorce.

6) That family can not share the space at the same time as me. They will not be in my house and we will not be at joint functions together.

7) Be kind to each other. Think about how what we say will be heard and felt by the kids.

She agreed to all of this. She was super embarrassed about the safe sex part, not wanting to discuss it at all but asking to move past it, but did agree to it all.

Wednesday, we had a meeting with the pool builder for our new home (we close in a month on a new build...) and she talked about the future of our home, her excitement of living in it, and definitely discussed us being in it together. So she has that image in her head. She also specifically said in her agreement the previous night that if she was ready to give up on us she would have already left. So there's something there, but we haven't begun getting professional help yet. It was a great day though, and we even made love that night. It felt different than it did over the past year. She was more into it and involved. But she still refused to kiss me (haven't kissed during sex in years...).

Thursday, yesterday, was a good day. I was off work (regularly off on Thursdays), spent the day with her, but we didn't really get to talk about anything much.

Today is Friday. The day of her regular movie nights with them, and I am terrified that she is going to go there. I am hoping she chooses not to. That she realizes that's a bad decision. But my anxiety today is through the roof because this one decision could be huge for us. If she chooses to stay with me tonight, I know she cares about my feelings. If she chooses to go with them tonight, I know she is still in a fantasy land and not thinking about what she is doing to me.

I keep reading about consequences and NC demands and I haven't done that. I haven't banned contact yet. I have made it clear that I expect that eventually, but I'm giving her some time to process and think through. I want her to engage logic in realizing what is involved in her decisions. I want her to choose me. I don't want to trap her into it. Every day, I face new problems with how to effectively communicate with her without going too far. I think I've done a decent job so far but last night when I asked her to lay with me to watch TV, she told me she felt smothered. I backed off.

I think there's probably a lot I'm missing but this whole thing has been a nightmare of a week. I hate this man and his wife, but I'm being forced to keep this secret for my wife's protection.

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BigNoob ( member #75807) posted at 8:46 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I honestly don't know what to say. NC must be ESTABLISHED! At the very least not visiting this man.

"I was smothering her."

Your her husband and she is letting another man smother her. Please speak with a Lawyer to look at your options. Being passive and letting her take charge is not going to fix anything at all.

Also why are you protecting your wife. Affairs thrive in the dark shine a light on her!

I think you are also missing a point. AP is not raising her kids. Not paying her bills. Not taking care of her when she is sick. Not doing her taxes. Letting your wife go on a "date" night is counter productive and supporting her.

[This message edited by BigNoob at 2:53 PM, March 5th (Friday)]

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 8:53 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I am hoping that when we begin counseling, which she already agreed to, that the counselor will help with making her understand that NC needs to happen.

I have already spoken to a lawyer though. I left that out of my Tuesday morning routine. It was the first thing I did that morning. And I feel confident that I can protect my assets and get full custody of my son. I think that helped me with establishing the boundaries. I know that if it gets nasty, I can win. I just don't want it to get there.

I hear what you're saying on being passive. And I feel that way myself to some extent. But the way I see it, if I "be the man" and make demands and put my foot down, all I'm going to accomplish is driving her away. I will be making the choice for her, saving her from making a hard decision. I will be the one outing her affair. Right now she has a weight on her shoulder. I don't want to remove it. I want her to remove it herself. I want her to make the right choice. Or any choice. She can't have both, not for long. I also hope that by outing things, I have destroyed the fantasy. There's now real consequences for her actions that she has to consider. It's not just a cool idea of having a throuple; it's the reality of what that means. Where she lives. What happens with the kids, her gym. What happens when he brings home wife #3 that she doesn't get along with so much. I want her to want to do the right thing. Not force her. In the meantime, I can pursue my own healing journey.

Is that dumb? Am I deluding myself? I think she really does still love me. But she just loves someone else too.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 8:55 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Cheaters lie. A lot.

Have you actually called his wife, and asked her if she is OK with this??

Because I would bet she has NO idea.

This isn't a sister wife situation. It's the typical married woman having an affair with her married friend's husband.

She told you his wife knows because then you wouldn't feel the need to contact his wife. She played you.

Regardless, you admit the other BS has no idea her husband is having sex with another woman. And you have given your wife permission to have sex with him.

This is horrible. You must demand immediate NC. Any thing less is going to make this worse,and it's already really bad.

You feel bad telling her she can't continue to have a boyfriend because she thinks she loves him? Man, that is YOUR WIFE!! Come on,man. Wake up.

Call his wife. Without telling your wife first. Otherwise she will tell him,and he will tell his wife you are crazy, abusive,and think all your wife's male friends are sleeping with her.

I realize it's been a few days, but you need to get some control. What you are allowing is not ok.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 8:56 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

And I'm not really letting her go on a date night. If she tells me that she's going over there tonight, I am going to make it very clear how much it will hurt me if she does. By not outlawing it, I'm giving her an early way to show me she cares.

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 8:58 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

HellFire, I read the messages with the wife. She knows.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:02 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

She still doesn't know they're having sex. Call her and tell her. It's not fair that everyone else knows but her. You've given your wife permission to have sex with this woman's husband. I think his wife should be able to give her consent as well.

You're attempting to nice her out of the affair. That never works.

[This message edited by HellFire at 3:04 PM, March 5th (Friday)]

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:06 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I appreciate the feedback. I have certainly wanted to do just that from the beginning. I have not acted blindly though. I had access to her texts and saw the conversations. Sister wife has been discussed. As has him saying that he doesn't care who knows about them. But you could be right.

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This0is0Fine ( member #72277) posted at 9:09 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I do all the early "no-no's" and tell her that she needs to cut off communication with them immediately and that I am going to tell his wife.

That is actually exactly what everyone on this forum would recommend you do. So your EARLY steps were appropriate.

Tuesday, I go to work, but I can't stay there. I'm talking to people and doing research and I just want to talk to my wife. I come to realize that my demands for immediate NC are perhaps premature and unrealistic. I'm asking her to give up a best friend and someone she loves when she doesn't know what she wants yet. So I make a list of boundaries I think I can live with and I text her that I've done so and want to have a non-antagonistic talk about a few things. She agrees. So after the kids are put to bed, I explain that I am not going to demand she flip that switch yet but I lay out my boundaries, being careful to note that they are suggestions, and that she is free to agree, disagree, or submit some of her own:

1) I will not be watching the kids to facilitate your time with them.

2) Complete honesty, even if it hurts. If I ask if you were with him today, you tell me.

3) I want you to stop sleeping with him and only choose me. But if you can't stay out of his bed, you need to use protection. And the same with me if you choose to sleep with me.

4) Do not detract time from our relationship to pursue that one.

5) We need to start seeing a counselor, at least to begin to understand each other and see where things can go. If we can reconcile, we can pursue that. If we can't, we can pursue divorce.

6) That family can not share the space at the same time as me. They will not be in my house and we will not be at joint functions together.

7) Be kind to each other. Think about how what we say will be heard and felt by the kids.

She agreed to all of this. She was super embarrassed about the safe sex part, not wanting to discuss it at all but asking to move past it, but did agree to it all.

Nope nope nope nope nope.

Take the fucking kid gloves off.

What is still there is selfish cake eating and you are allowing it.

1) Great she can pay a baby sitter out of your presumably shared funds to watch the kids, or have them in the next room while she fucks AP. Enjoy your extra free time, I guess

2) She clearly doesn't care if she hurts you, but she might lie anyway. You might get this, you might not.

3) Buy a Costco pack of condoms for him and a walgreens checkout pack for yourself.

4) Literally impossible. Time is limited. Any romantic relationship she has with him is inherently in conflict with your desire for committed monogamy.

5) Probably won't help and is a waste of money.

6) This is just rugsweeping.

7) Listen. I am a kind and understanding man. I was kind and understanding to my wife. That lead to dragging out my dissatisfaction for a year. This is "nicing her back" or "pick me" dance. You choose. Doesn't work.

You stepped out of the right path and in front of a train.

1) No contact with this man. Sends the NC letter in front of you. Blocked from her life.

2) Complete digital transparency (you may already have this). Access to phone, email, GPS.

3) A full written timeline of the affair, optional polygraph to confirm. You can't forgive her if you don't know everything she has done. You'll get killed by trickle truth. Even though you think you know everything now, you don't.

Today is Friday. The day of her regular movie nights with them, and I am terrified that she is going to go there. I am hoping she chooses not to. That she realizes that's a bad decision. But my anxiety today is through the roof because this one decision could be huge for us. If she chooses to stay with me tonight, I know she cares about my feelings. If she chooses to go with them tonight, I know she is still in a fantasy land and not thinking about what she is doing to me.

Have you told her this? Don't have secret deadlines and goals you don't tell her about. You will just be continuously disappointed in her and in yourself for allowing her to keep disrespecting you over and over again. I've been through this. I basically thought to myself, "if she does X, I'm out", but then she would do X, I would justify it and prolong my own misery.

Nothing I can say to you will change the path you are on (I'm thinking) because I remember what it's like, early on especially. It was a bit over a year ago now. I started making progress when I asked for a divorce in writing in November of last year.

Nice doesn't work.

EDIT TO ADD:

Here's a great example of a conversation I had with my WW before I asked for divorce:

WW: "TiF, I want to go grab a beer with (a friend of the AP)"

TiF: "I don't like that and it makes me anxious."

WW: "Are you saying I can't go?"

TiF: "You can go. I'm not going to stop you from going. You are in charge of your life. I just don't like it, and it makes me anxious. Do whatever you want."

WW: "But actions have consequences?"

TiF: "Yes, they do."

WW: "Ok."

A few minutes pass.

WW: "I'm going to go leave to get that beer now. I'll see you in about an hour and a half."

TiF: "..."

[This message edited by This0is0Fine at 3:19 PM, March 5th (Friday)]

Love is not a measure of capacity for pain you are willing to endure for your partner.

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BigNoob ( member #75807) posted at 9:10 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I agree with HF. Also I want to ask what is your final straw in this? How long are you willing to wait?

What has your wife done in these 4 days?

-Unlocked phones?

-No passwords

-Transparency (tells you where she is at)

-Cut communication (or limited it)

-Not visited AP when you gave her the "okay"?

-Timeline?

-Searched on how to help you heal?

- Her "why's"

If you are looking for a marriage counselor try and get one with experience with infidelity

What happened to her 1st marriage? Did she cheat before?

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:12 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I wouldn't say nothing can change the path. I was on a different path and talked to several people.

I was told to view this like she's a meth addict. I have to understand that she's going to be doing addictive behaviors and even as she starts tapering off there will be relapses and issues that I can't control away.

Anything I do that will cause shame or guilt or perceived as controlling will only hurt me.

That advice changed my path.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:13 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Nice doesn't work

Im glad this member weighed in. He tried to be nice as well. It got him several months of pain. Listen to him. He knows what he is talking about.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:14 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

BigNoob,

She hasn't seen him in the 4 days outside of at the gym during a group class (hard to stop that until we end his membership).

She has talked some with me. And as mentioned, agreed to counseling.

On her first marriage... heh. She was the BS in that one.

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:16 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

HF,

I'm open to "not being nice" too. I just thought it was worth a shot at least until I can get a counselor to help us really get deep into this. I don't want to end things by "being the man" before I can get a professional involved. And being nice has gotten agreement to get help.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:16 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Who gave you that advice?

You are on a forum of several thousand people. We know what works, and what won't. You believe your story is unique, but it's not. Cheaters seem to follow a handbook. And a BS who wants to successfully reconcile with their WS need to be assertive. Not passive. Demanding respect is not controlling.

She is not a meth addict. She is a cheater.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 9:16 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Verify for yourself what this guy’s wife knows and has agreed to.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 11 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:18 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Marriage counseling with a spouse who is cheating is worthless. You would be wasting your time and money.

And counselors vary in their advice. You might get one who blames you for the affair, and tells your wife to explore her affair as an alternative.

[This message edited by HellFire at 3:18 PM, March 5th (Friday)]

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:19 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I definitely want to talk to the wife. Maybe I'm just afraid of what I'll find out.

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 inkarnit (original poster new member #78449) posted at 9:21 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

I was planning to speak with a Gottman Certified counselor.

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asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at 9:24 PM on Friday, March 5th, 2021

Tell the wife they’re already having sex. But after that you don’t owe her anything. She’s participating in breaking up your marriage.

I make edits, words is hard

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